What do you think Of this? Reguarding Iraq?

I think It very likely!!Written by Raymond S. Kraft





This is HISTORY THAT HAS BEEN LEFT OUT OF OUR TEXTBOOKS. MANY OF YOU ARE


NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THAT NEARLY EVERY FAMILY IN AMERICA WAS


GROSSLY AFFECTED BY WWII. MANY OF YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE RATIONING OF


MEAT, SHOES, GASOLINE, AND SUGAR. NO TIRES FOR OUR AUTOMOBILES, AND A


SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES AN HOUR ON THE ROAD. NOT TO MENTION, NO NEW


AUTOMOBILES. READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD REACT TO BEING TAKEN


OVER BY FOREIGNERS.


-----








Historical Significance:





Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and


hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk


more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between England


and America for food and war materials.





At that time the US was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, and most


Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war.





Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage


Congress unanimously declared war on Japan , and the following day on


Germany , which had not yet attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had


few allies.





France was not an ally, as the Vichy government of France quickly


aligned itself with its German occupiers. Germany was certainly not an


ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich in


Europe . Japan was not an ally, as it was well on its way to owning and


controlling all of Asia . Together, Japan and Germany had long-range


plans of invading Canada and Mexico , as launching pads to get into the


United States over our northern and southern borders, after they


finished gaining control of Asia and Europe . America 's only allies then


were England , Ireland , Scotland , Canada , Australia , and Russia . That was


about it. All of Europe, from Norway to Italy , except Russia in the


East, was already under the Nazi heel.





America was certainly not prepared for war. America had drastically


downgraded most of its military forces after W.W.I and throughout the


depression, so that at the outbreak of WW2, army units were training


with broomsticks because they didn't have guns, and cars with "tank"


painted on the doors because they didn't have real tanks. And a huge


chunk of our navy had just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor .





Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600


million in gold bullion in the Bank of England, that was actually the


property of Belgium , given by Belgium to England to carry on the war


when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact). Actually,


Belgium surrendered on one day, because it was unable to oppose the


German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next


day just to prove they could. Britain had already been holding out for


two years in the face of staggering losses and the near decimation of


its air force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun


by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits


were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later, and first


turning his attention to Russia , at a time when England was on the


vergeof collapse, in the late summer of 1940.





Ironically, Russia saved America 's butt by putting up a desperate fight


for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at


Germany .





Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad


and Moscow alone... 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly


civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers.





Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire


war effort against the Brits, then America . And the Nazis could possibly


have won the war.





All of this is to illustrate that turning points in history are often


dicey things. And now, we find ourselves at another one of those key


moments in history.





There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants


and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or


chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world.





The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs --


they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam,


should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe , then the


world. And that all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be


killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust,


destroy Israel , and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra.





There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East -- for the most part


not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and


its Reformation, but it is not known yet which will win -- the


Inquisitors, or the Reformationists.





If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control


the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US , European, and Asian


economies. The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC


-- not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but


an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. You want gas in your car? You want


heating oil next winter? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You


better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic


Reformation wins.





If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who


believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, and live in


peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into


the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade


away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.





We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the


Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda and the


Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. And we can't do


it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle at a


time and place of our choosing........in Iraq .





Not in New York , not in London , or Paris or Berlin , but in Iraq , where


we are doing two important things.





(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly


involved in 9/11 or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively


supporting the terrorist movement for decades. Saddam is a terrorist.





Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is responsible for


the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and two million


Iranians.





(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic


terrorism in Iraq . We have focused the battle. We are killing bad


people, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here. We also


have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq , which will be


a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East , and an


outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East


for as long as it is needed.





World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began


with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor . It began


with the Japanese invasion of China . It was a war for fourteen years


before America joined it. It officially ended in 1945 -- a 17 year war


-- and was followed by another decade of US occupation in Germany and


Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own


again ... a 27 year war.





World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a


full year's GDP -- adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion


dollars. W.W.II cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and


nearly 100,000 still missing in action.





The Iraq war has, so far, cost the US about $160 billion, which is


roughly what 9/11 cost New York . It has also cost about 3,000 American


lives, which is roughly EQUAL TO the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed


on 9/11. But the cost of not fighting and winning W.W.II would have been


unimaginably greater -- a world dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.





This is not 60 minute TV shows, and 2 hour movies in which everything


comes out okay.





The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes


bloody and ugly. Always has been, and probably always will be.





The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism


until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if we ignore


it.





If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq , then we


have an " England " in the Middle East , a platform, from which we can work


to help modernize and moderate the Middle East . The history of the


world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and


civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates. The Iraq war is


merely another battle in this ancient and never ending war. And now, for


the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons.


Unless somebody prevents them.





We have four options:





1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.





2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which


may be as early as next year, if Iran 's progress on nuclear weapons is


what Iran claims it is)





3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle


East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in


America .





4. Or, we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad


is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has


dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe . It


will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier.





If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or


grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the


Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.





The history of the world is the history of civilizational clashes,


cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and


civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.





Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists


always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.





Remember, perspective is every thing, and America 's schools teach too


little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young


American mind.





The Cold war lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came


down in 1989. Forty-two years. Europe spent the first half of the 19th


century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany





World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation,


and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan . World War II resulted


in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million


people, depending on which estimates you accept.





The US has taken more than 3,000 killed in action in Iraq . The US took


more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944, the


first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism.


In W.W.II the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week -- for four years. Most of


the individual battles of W.W.II lost more Americans than the entire


Iraq war has done so far.





But the stakes are at least as high ... A world dominated by


representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal


freedoms .. or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement,


by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law).





It's difficult to understand why the American left does not grasp this.


They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but


evidently not for Iraqis.





"Peace Activists" always seem to demonstrate here in America , where it's


safe.





Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran , Syria , Iraq ,


Sudan , North Korea , in the places that really need peace activism the


most?





The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights,


democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc., but if the Jihad wins,


wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights,


democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc.





Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side


of their own worst enemy.





~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~...


Raymond S. Kraft is a writer living in Northern California


Note: forwarded message attached.








Written by Raymond S. Kraft





This is HISTORY THAT HAS BEEN LEFT OUT OF OUR TEXTBOOKS. MANY OF YOU ARE


NOT OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THAT NEARLY EVERY FAMILY IN AMERICA WAS


GROSSLY AFFECTED BY WWII. MANY OF YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE RATIONING OF


MEAT, SHOES, GASOLINE, AND SUGAR. NO TIRES FOR OUR AUTOMOBILES, AND A


SPEED LIMIT OF 35 MILES AN HOUR ON THE ROAD. NOT TO MENTION, NO NEW


AUTOMOBILES. READ THIS AND THINK ABOUT HOW WE WOULD REACT TO BEING TAKEN


OVER BY FOREIGNERS.


-----








Historical Significance:





Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and


hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk


more than four hundred British ships in their convoys between England


and America for food and war materials.





At that time the US was in an isolationist, pacifist mood, and most


Americans wanted nothing to do with the European or the Asian war.





Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage


Congress unanimously declared war on Japan , and the following day on


Germany , which had not yet attacked us. It was a dicey thing. We had


few allies.





France was not an ally, as the Vichy government of France quickly


aligned itself with its German occupiers. Germany was certainly not an


ally, as Hitler was intent on setting up a Thousand Year Reich in


Europe . Japan was not an ally, as it was well on its way to owning and


controlling all of Asia . Together, Japan and Germany had long-range


plans of invading Canada and Mexico , as launching pads to get into the


United States over our northern and southern borders, after they


finished gaining control of Asia and Europe . America 's only allies then


were England , Ireland , Scotland , Canada , Australia , and Russia . That was


about it. All of Europe, from Norway to Italy , except Russia in the


East, was already under the Nazi heel.





America was certainly not prepared for war. America had drastically


downgraded most of its military forces after W.W.I and throughout the


depression, so that at the outbreak of WW2, army units were training


with broomsticks because they didn't have guns, and cars with "tank"


painted on the doors because they didn't have real tanks. And a huge


chunk of our navy had just been sunk or damaged at Pearl Harbor .





Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600


million in gold bullion in the Bank of England, that was actually the


property of Belgium , given by Belgium to England to carry on the war


when Belgium was overrun by Hitler (a little known fact). Actually,


Belgium surrendered on one day, because it was unable to oppose the


German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next


day just to prove they could. Britain had already been holding out for


two years in the face of staggering losses and the near decimation of


its air force in the Battle of Britain, and was saved from being overrun


by Germany only because Hitler made the mistake of thinking the Brits


were a relatively minor threat that could be dealt with later, and first


turning his attention to Russia , at a time when England was on the


vergeof collapse, in the late summer of 1940.





Ironically, Russia saved America 's butt by putting up a desperate fight


for two years, until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at


Germany .





Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad


and Moscow alone... 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly


civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers.





Had Russia surrendered, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire


war effort against the Brits, then America . And the Nazis could possibly


have won the war.





All of this is to illustrate that turning points in history are often


dicey things. And now, we find ourselves at another one of those key


moments in history.





There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has, or wants


and may soon have, the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or


chemical weapons, almost anywhere in the world.





The Jihadis, the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs --


they believe that Islam, a radically conservative form of Wahhabi Islam,


should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe , then the


world. And that all who do not bow to their will of thinking should be


killed, enslaved, or subjugated. They want to finish the Holocaust,


destroy Israel , and purge the world of Jews. This is their mantra.





There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East -- for the most part


not a hot war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and


its Reformation, but it is not known yet which will win -- the


Inquisitors, or the Reformationists.





If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, the Jihadis, will control


the Middle East, the OPEC oil, and the US , European, and Asian


economies. The techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC


-- not an OPEC dominated by the educated, rational Saudis of today, but


an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis. You want gas in your car? You want


heating oil next winter? You want the dollar to be worth anything? You


better hope the Jihad, the Muslim Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic


Reformation wins.





If the Reformation movement wins, that is, the moderate Muslims who


believe that Islam can respect and tolerate other religions, and live in


peace with the rest of the world, and move out of the 10th century into


the 21st, then the troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade


away, and a moderate and prosperous Middle East will emerge.





We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the


Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda and the


Islamic terrorist movements. We have to do it somewhere. And we can't do


it everywhere at once. We have created a focal point for the battle at a


time and place of our choosing........in Iraq .





Not in New York , not in London , or Paris or Berlin , but in Iraq , where


we are doing two important things.





(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly


involved in 9/11 or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively


supporting the terrorist movement for decades. Saddam is a terrorist.





Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is responsible for


the deaths of probably more than a million Iraqis and two million


Iranians.





(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic


terrorism in Iraq . We have focused the battle. We are killing bad


people, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here. We also


have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq , which will be


a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East , and an


outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East


for as long as it is needed.





World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began


with a "whimper" in 1928. It did not begin with Pearl Harbor . It began


with the Japanese invasion of China . It was a war for fourteen years


before America joined it. It officially ended in 1945 -- a 17 year war


-- and was followed by another decade of US occupation in Germany and


Japan to get those countries reconstructed and running on their own


again ... a 27 year war.





World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a


full year's GDP -- adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion


dollars. W.W.II cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and


nearly 100,000 still missing in action.





The Iraq war has, so far, cost the US about $160 billion, which is


roughly what 9/11 cost New York . It has also cost about 3,000 American


lives, which is roughly EQUAL TO the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed


on 9/11. But the cost of not fighting and winning W.W.II would have been


unimaginably greater -- a world dominated by German and Japanese Nazism.





This is not 60 minute TV shows, and 2 hour movies in which everything


comes out okay.





The real world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes


bloody and ugly. Always has been, and probably always will be.





The bottom line is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism


until we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away if we ignore


it.





If the US can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq , then we


have an " England " in the Middle East , a platform, from which we can work


to help modernize and moderate the Middle East . The history of the


world is the clash between the forces of relative civility and


civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates. The Iraq war is


merely another battle in this ancient and never ending war. And now, for


the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons.


Unless somebody prevents them.





We have four options:





1. We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.





2. We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which


may be as early as next year, if Iran 's progress on nuclear weapons is


what Iran claims it is)





3. We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle


East, now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in


America .





4. Or, we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad


is more widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has


dominated France and Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe . It


will, of course, be more dangerous, more expensive, and much bloodier.





If you oppose this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or


grandchildren, may live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the


Sharia, an America that resembles Iran today.





The history of the world is the history of civilizational clashes,


cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and


civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.





Those who are willing to be the most ruthless always win. The pacifists


always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.





Remember, perspective is every thing, and America 's schools teach too


little history for perspective to be clear, especially in the young


American mind.





The Cold war lasted from about 1947 at least until the Berlin Wall came


down in 1989. Forty-two years. Europe spent the first half of the 19th


century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870 to 1945 fighting Germany





World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation,


and the US still has troops in Germany and Japan . World War II resulted


in the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million


people, depending on which estimates you accept.





The US has taken more than 3,000 killed in action in Iraq . The US took


more than 4,000 killed in action on the morning of June 6, 1944, the


first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism.


In W.W.II the US averaged 2,000 KIA a week -- for four years. Most of


the individual battles of W.W.II lost more Americans than the entire


Iraq war has done so far.





But the stakes are at least as high ... A world dominated by


representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal


freedoms .. or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement,


by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law).





It's difficult to understand why the American left does not grasp this.


They favor human rights, civil rights, liberty and freedom, but


evidently not for Iraqis.





"Peace Activists" always seem to demonstrate here in America , where it's


safe.





Why don't we see Peace Activist demonstrating in Iran , Syria , Iraq ,


Sudan , North Korea , in the places that really need peace activism the


most?





The liberal mentality is supposed to favor human rights, civil rights,


democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc., but if the Jihad wins,


wherever the Jihad wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights,


democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc.





Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side


of their own worst enemy.





~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~...


Raymond S. Kraft is a writer living in Northern California


Note: forwarded message attached.

What do you think Of this? Reguarding Iraq?
Good stuff. reasonably accurate, except that we still have troops in Japan and Germany to this day.





We also have troops in Korea.





I say we set a time table for withdrawal from Iraq consistent with the time table we set with Germany and Japan. Right after we withdrawal from Germany and Japan we can withdrawal from Korea and then after the same amount of time, Iraq.





Withdrawal ooks to be about 70 to 80 years down the road.
Reply:Where have been Mr. John_d_ayer? What a great answer. It is so true. War is killing us in terms of economy, socially, mentally, nationally and humanly. We sure are slow to learn.


But thanks for the information and insight. Report It

Reply:If I wanted to read a book Id go to the library. The war was just and God help us if we dont succeed over there.
Reply:I guess the word "diplomacy" is not in your vocabulary. It does require finesse and understanding, though, which this author lacks in abundance.





Listen here: the whole world was on our side after 9/11, and was still on our side after we appropriately went into Afghanistan where most of al Qaeda was operating. Then along comes our president-by-fraud George W. Bush to invade *the wrong country*, getting us into a pointless war that has only served to piss off the entire world and played right into the hands of the jihadists, who would probably be blowing up more people than they already are if they weren't constantly falling down laughing uncontrollably at how STUPID the Americans are!





If you don't get by now that the neo-cons' real agenda is the END of democracy and a return to economic feudalism, then you yourself are one of their dupes, happily voting for "family values" while they continue to undermine your rights and steal your wealth. Creating a bogeyman like the jihadists fits right into their plan - Hitler did it with Jews and it worked for him.





The only thing I agree with you about is that Islamic fundamentalists are a definite threat to the world, as are Christian fundamentalists and Orthodox Jews. They're all certifiable lunatics, and when they have access to enough power they will kill you to prove it.





There are better ways to control religious nuts than to destroy an entire country, including a large number of its civilians, and that is to extend opportunity to as many people as possible, as used to be done in America. Step one of that process is to stop supporting dictatorships around the world the way Washington and corporate America have been doing since WW II and earlier. All we have to do, really, is to stop buying oil from the Middle East and the jihadists will eventually fade back into the desert and return to killing each other in the name of "family honor."
Reply:This is HOGWASH. Iraq does not have designs on World domination. The Bush regime and the Republic Party does not want to capture their old family friend Bin Laden. The Iraq incursion was based on lies about WMD and actually has more to do with the attempt by Hussein to bomb the elder Bush after Gulf 1. The Bush group committed treason in "outing" an active undercover CIA agent. Their knee-jerk reaction to anything they don't want to hear is to lie. By the way, some sources are now saying that D-day Iran is April 17th.Sounds a little extreme, but this is the same source that told me almost 3 months before the "surge" that the number would be 30,000 troops, I thought "see the source was wrong,they only sent 21,000",then they decided to send another 8,000. It's getting close to 30,000. All this happen when they were still denying that there would be a surge. Same source says that George is back on the sauce and Laura spends most of her time living in a hotel. People who proclaim that anti war Americans are traitors seem to forget that America is all about the Constitution. Which by the way is being undermined by the very people we elected(or did we) to protect it. And 1 American soldier is too many to loose to "liberate" a country that's involved in a deep civil and religious war that will never end. If justice for 9/11 is our aim,then let's find Osama and try him in a World Court. I'd love to see Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeldt before the same Tribunal,they are all criminals.
Reply:Ever heard of using a link?
Reply:Congratulations on the longest question I've ever seen on Yahoo Answers. Unfortunately I don't have time to read it.
Reply:I agree with you but what is the question?
Reply:If you're going to cut and paste a long ramble, at least edit it to be more readble.





Better yet, just post a 1-paragraph summary, and link to the original long text.





And try actually asking a question.
Reply:"Raymond S. Kraft" is full of s**t.
Reply:Hay Ray you didn't cover how the Nazis were backed by the Kennedy Family,(Ambassador to England and sales rep to IBM Joe Kennedy) and that IBM was significant in keeping tract of how the Jews were dealt with. I cant believe that being from the rewrites history capital of the world that you were able to come up with so much accuracy. I find that if you want to learn in America now days you must get off the "drive by" media central. You should look into what Diane Finestine and her husband have been up to, lining their pockets with Defense Contracts through companies owned by her husband, of which a whopping 34% were approved without competitive bidding. Including A curtain hospital that was deemed uninhabitable by the health department.
Reply:Sure - thanks for the nut warmonger side of "history". Comparing Nazi Germany to a few religious suiciders living in mud huts on the other side of the world is irrational.
Reply:This is not a question it is a diatribe.





USA has faced real, worse threats and emerged victorious without unjustified invasions and dumping our most dear constitutional principles.





If we pursue the whoevers the way you all want to, "it is the end of civil rights, hguman rights, democracy, multiculturalism, diversity, etc"





Slow down, take a deep breath, stop trying to romanticize this into being more than a bunch of thugs scaring the crap out of the rest of the world.
Reply:Thank you Raymond for the History Lesson. I really learned so much from you today. Very good historical analysis also I found in above facts. Well, history is one thing and our present time in another. I think you are consumed with history so much and not in touch with the real world. Your concerns are misplaced and lost in history. You are well informed about historical facts, but you need to brush up and get in touch with the real world. Thanks again.
Reply:He is absolutely right.


The world itself is at stake.


World Domination is their goal.
Reply:You are not asking a question, but rather are posting the blathering of someone who takes endless words to make a point. I think that this is a gross waste of time and space, and does little to promote discussion or rational thought on the problems caused by our occupation of Iraq in the middle of their civil war.



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